pvp balance

My only real complaint is the suggested charges. Five charges isn’t enough to hunt with. Especially when only three of them are actually good charges. I agree it needs a cap, because 17k is definitely too much. Durability and no poisoning gm weapons is also kind of lame, too. But at the very least understandable. I would suggest a cap of 50 charges, and after each charge passed 15 having diminished returns on how many charges per poison applied IE; 5 charges from 1-15, 3 charges from 16-30, and 1 for every charge passed 30. This would somewhat deter fully charging a weapon, while not fully hindering a thief’s hunting prowess.

Seems like we are heading in the same direction here, longer and more interesting pvps, beautiful.

I kindly take the gm weap part back because I was oblivious regarding thiefs being the only class able to equip poisoncharged weapons. My bad.

In general, thieves should poke with a passing weapon, since when did they start shooting with a bow and deal damage more than an archer?
Meaning then from War and Archer if there is a thief who can stop up from the peaks, and shoot him with a bow, plus poison him.

Why do they get free weapon use? Because they lack a combat skill. Even if they “poked with passing weapon (what?)” it would be a free weapon. I understand it’s a powerful class, but let’s not neuter it, this is like, the first or second time this class has been something meaningful outside of just poisoning weapons for more combat oriented classes.

I believe all classes should be viable. Why only war and ranger? Makes this game very boring

loki why mage classe not have parrying and hiding 100)))???I believe all classes should be viable.

why thiefs can use bandages without skill healing??? why mages not use bandages or archery. and die at one shoot

Mages does need a rework for sure
But mages can hide with fish and spells, they will outheal a thief with spells any day (I would never use bandages as thief in PvP, it’s only to save tamlas in PvM)
They get macefighting for free the same way thieves get fencing and archery.
But if you rather do it like Ranger have, being able to use Forensic without losing classe % that’s fine too.

Im all for nerfing poison damage, but not making the class useless. That would just make all the work Dreams have done with thieves for nothing

The problem with poison damage is that it’s scaled for a fight when people are buffed, one they get dispelled the poison is clearly too powerful, but that’s because buffs are too powerful, if buffs werent as strong, you could easily scale down poison too and it wont kill you instantly when you get dispelled. But thieves deal so little physical damage, they wont hit hard enough to go through armor, so they rely solely on poison damage to PvP. I don’t like that part, cuz then they can just shoot and hide. They should have to keep on shooting in order to be a real threat in PvP in my opinion.
I am working on an idea for a solution for this and will reveal it soon enough. Will see how the response turns out

and for thieves, why not take out remove trap, basically a useless skill, and give them archery or fencing as a replacement, or even work in their very own weapon type. like throwing knives which has been implemented on other server n replacement of trap removal. give it ammo like rangers need, then you don’t have to worry about thieves running around with spears and bows. Less physical damage then Rangers, because of the poisoning.

Problem is if you add to many class specific items you will end up with gears that are only for ranger, only for warriors, only for thieves. And you will find so much loot you cant use or if you kill anyone that isn’t your class, you cant use any of the stuff. Free skills aren’t really free. You need 90 all skills to get “90 archery” etc. So many skills has no use, the archery/fencing is the reward for macroing those useless skills
and having those extra skills as how rangers get forensic is just too many skills. And it would defeat the purpose of getting higher level, as you can just get archery tomes and macro that.
There are other ways of balancing this. the fencing for thieves isn’t strong really. Archery is what you will use 90% of the time as you cant wear a shield and don’t have warrior’s built in melee prot so you die from most things.

I agree Pixy. They should have a chance to be detected by an equal character