PVP

This is a compliacted topic though, many of the players now days join only to PVP.

I’w always been a fan of dual map shards where Trammel is the non-pvp map with a bit lower loot and lower resources from mining LJing and Felucca was the pvp-enabled map with higher resource gain and better loot for a more risk/reward kind of setup.

But to disable PVP would probably lose more players than the pvp itself would scare of.

Oh and about the pvp imbalance i kinda agree, rangers seems to grow stronger and stronger for each shard, probably ‘cus there will always be someone to get a bit more dex than last time and midmax the gear a bit more.

But belive it or not, it’s not as easy for a ranger to kill a well geared warrior though.
But imo here is the problem, atm only warrior and ranger seems to be viable for anything…
i havnt see bards in action though, but compared to ranger/warrior dmg PVM i doubt they are on pair balance wise.

This rift between classes is something that has grown for a long time, drifting a bit for each shard, and while classes gets buffs to get a slight bump to the top, PPs are left behind to rot, with no classe bonuses there is nothing a PP can do to a ranger with 500+ dex, when a PP does 50 dmg with a bow, a ranger will do 120ish, when a PP takes said 120 dmg from a ranger, a warrior will negate most of it.

I know someone that might get pissed at me for saying this but… i play a Ranger and i’w played Ranger many times on basicly all shards i’w played up until now, and they really do need a nerf.. ‘cus honestly, people dont stay in towns/houses ‘cus they hate PVP, they are scared of the 2 top geared rangers in the .online list.

But keep in mind, the imbalance now, compared the back in the days is 10% code and 90% the fact that people know the concept of MMO way beter now.

Anyway, the gold sink would probably be a good idea, and keeping it to cosmetics is a fun idea 🙂 but i dont know of any shards where gold was worth anything after you had the house you needed to sparr/macro in.
only shard i played that had a better economy was sanctuary based ‘cus gaining skill costs money on those.

Enough of my ranting, i just think it’s sad when people actually leav ‘cus they get killed.

I can agree on some Points on this but i disagree on a lot aswell.
The thing with “whoever hits first” is kind of BS.
Rangers vs warriors, warriors still got an overhand if u know how to play good pvp.

For me pp always been bad at ZH, if u dont got like a good castweapon and some good mods.

The pvp ive tried its really hard to kill warriors, they withstand alot of damage overall and are hard to kill even tho they are dispelled and so on.

Ranger vs ranger is a different chapter, rangers die EASILY as hell here compared what ive seen before tbh. But its not about who shots first, its about who doesnt panic and knows how to pvp.
The reason u feel pvp is unbalanced is due to the fact that some of us learned how to pvp properly and some of the guys got no clue how to pvp really.

But to say that only ranger works in hunting is wrong and it kinda shows that u are not certain of the mechanics of the game.

Damage scales way more in ZH scripts than damage mitigation or HP. Only thing that comes close is a warrior with a lot of strength mods, which I think can take quite a beating in pvp in similarly-buffed scenarios.

Three major things influence this balance:
1. Buffs. Don’t expect to stand a chance in pvp against someone with decent buffs if you eat magic fishes or get regular buffs from your level 3 mage friend.
2. Class level. At least for warriors and rangers which I think are kind of in a league of their own in pvp, be spec5 or work on getting there.
3. Items. About as important as the other two points combined and then some. Things that are going to pretty much decide the outcome of the fight before you even engage include stat mods, high enough melee prot, whether you have blackrock, are immune to poison or can inflict poison.

Seeing as newcomers will have a huge disadvantage in all 3 categories, or at least 2, they will die in 1-2 hits from most veterans. So I would argue it’s not about who hits first, but about if the player with large enough advantage hits you at all 🙂

Anyway, I think a way to ease new people into the world somehow would be a great addition, but as for how to do it I’m at a loss. Perhaps Felucca/Trammel split would work nice. Only spawn lesser bosses in the non-pvp world and set the loot a bit lower.

I also think some upper challenges for veterans pvm would be nice. Right now the hardest mobs drop the same stuff as all other world bosses, they just take a lot more time. Blue Slaads might be the hardest mobs and they are much more efficient to kill as a group that to solo, but they don’t drop anything special so mostly it’s just a waste of time. I always thought lv6 tmaps would have the potential to be worth doing “end-game” but currently they aren’t worth it either afaik.

I can now see that I was being quite ignorant, but i kinda dislike the whining about rangers being the best classe to play and so on.
And for the record I never liked guys promoting pps in ZH considering the Zh scripts is about classe system.
Warrior and rangers are the best to play pvp for sure. And yes i think that pvping need some change, do i think it can be done with the scripts we got? Not really, unfortunately.

And correct me if im wrong, have u tested out hunting/pvping with a lvl5 char or just at low lvl?

Hello, i’ve read this post a few times but didnt bother untill now to comment. I see that you haven’t been playing zuluhotel, not much atleast i would assume. Pvp itself isnt broken. Sure pp could possibly be tuned up a bit but apart from that ranger is weaker here then how they usually are. Not the damage itself but since we are unable to cast any high circle spells with magery.

Zuluhotel has and will always be item based. I dont know what or who killed you but dont expect to be able to compete with someone with twice as much stats as you. As much as you can argue the fact that ranger is luck based, thats not really entirely true is it? if that was the case every ranger would be able to compete among each other. Trust me when i tell you, that is not at all how it is.

How i see it, the problem is the players, most people don’t play the game, they sit here and whine about things that could be different. In some cases these posts are related, but very rarely.

I’m not argueing the fact that this shard has flaws because it does, especially when it comes to loot levels and bosses. But for the major part its the players.

What makes uo fun, or rather zuluhotel playstyle is the fact that it is item based, and when being killed or while killing someone, you can loose everything. That is what makes me want to play zuluhotel, there is no other game that can offer me the thrill of hunting players and having messy pvp fights against other groups.

If you wanna kill monsters safely id suggest you play runuo or even wow seeing as they provide just that. Dont try to change a game into something it isnt 🙂

Oh great Avery, now ye scared him 🙁