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  • #3351
    sharnthor
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    Hi Everyone,

    I’m of the opinion that this is now getting out of hand from all angles…

    Me personally, have been the victim of exploits etc with regards to ghosting and have sen this first hand. BUT, the below is wrong in my opinion.

    The below extract from the homepage – new ghosting rules: https://zuluhotelomega.com/rules-update-ghosting-detailed/

    “Scouting with a geared character that you actually play with is totally fine.
    Examples:
    Illegal:
    – Using a spec thief which is fully geared and hiding in a corner of a dungeon is NOT allowed.
    – Standing with a ghost inside a dungeon doing nothing.
    Legal:
    – Standing in front of a player house as a ghost or naked character.
    – Running around as a ghost inside a dungeon.”

    So, you can scout with gear on, but it’s illegal using a spec thief that’s fully geared? How on earth are you going to prove this? I get standing and just parking in the middle of nowhere just watching entrances might be seen as ghosting, and that I agree with – but from what I understand, some specific guilds were proven to do this without any repercussions?

    What happens is I have a spec thief. That I use to venture into dungeons, hidden and scouting all the way to where I want to go and hunt. Then realize there’s nobody there that will bother me. Then run in with my preferred char to do what needs done. Somebody walks in and I see him first via my thief. Am I now getting punished?

    I am one that hates pvp to be honest – I’ve been pked more on this shard than I care to mention and I’ve lost a lot more items and gear than I would ever have hoped for. But, at the same time, I am going to play the game to the best of my ability to protect myself…

    Then on the illegal vs legal examples:
    “Illegal:
    – Using a spec thief which is fully geared and hiding in a corner of a dungeon is NOT allowed.
    – Standing with a ghost inside a dungeon doing nothing.
    Legal:
    – Standing in front of a player house as a ghost or naked character.
    – Running around as a ghost inside a dungeon”

    I mean wtf? So using a spec thief is illegal, but running around as a ghost is perfectly legal? Really?

    Simple, set up a random script that does random walking of a ghost and does absolutely nothing… this is legal? But my spec thief is not?

    All opinions are welcome of course.

    #3352
    loki
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    Well these rules will lead to:
    People running through dungeons with a ghost before going there, in order to find 3 more ghosts doing the same. So there will be no one in dungeons. Cya all in Occlo (unless they turn it into a non-safe zone. If so there will be crowded in peoples houses, unless they are logged into their ghost characters)

    AFK or not, gathering intel should have it’s risk

    #3353
    sharnthor
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    Just found Magnus ghosting. Reported to GM and nothing… We’ll have to see how this pans out I guess.

    See ya in Occlo. This is pretty sad

    #3354
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    I think maybe we should avoid rules that needs to be ‘interpreted’ and its possible to do it in game. I mean, if you can do something in game, that should be allowed to do so, if we dont wanna that, we need think about a ingame-way to block that, so we dont have to call GMs, and feel wronged.

    I dont like the idea of ghosting, is there a way of blocking that in game?
    I ask to the developers, like making all ghosts visible all the time, i dont know?

    #3355
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    I was a victim of ghosting since the start of the shard……Now i was rusty and did not play for years, i seen this shard i was excited!!! Okay seen in this server you need a team!!!!! PLEASE READ THIS POST!!!!
    So what did i decide to do was try to play with the russians and yes i am american…..

    Let me tell to about these guys!!!!! I know all zulu oldies played with BRAZIES and remember how they are….. WELL THE RUSSIANS DO NOTHING BUT LOOK FOR BUDS TO EXPLOIT AND ABUSE IN ANYWAY!!!!. I am not making this up or flaming russians… But here is a few things why i left playing with them……

    Well first of all EVREYDAY THEY WHERE TESTING STUFF TO ABUSE BUGS!!!!

    THEY FIGURED OUT A WAY TO CHANGE THERE CHARACTER NAMES EVREYDAY!!! TO DIFFRENT NAMES
    ON DISCORD HE EXPLAIN TO ME AND SENT ME A CHEAT PROGRAM WHICH I NEVER DOWNLOADED AND I GOT RID OF DISCORD AFTER NERVOUS BECAUSE TO ME RUSSIANS ARE KNOWN FOR HACKING

    THEY ALSO FIGURED OUT A WAY TO HAVE MORE THEN TWO CLIENT A COMPUTER USING ORION
    NOW WHY THIS IS BAD BECAUSE THERE ARE ONLY MAYBE 9 REAL RUSSIANS PLAYING BUT THEY HAVE LITERALLY 6 CHARACTERS ON AND ALL OF THOSE AND MOST CHARACTERS ARE GHOST GUYS IN DUNGS AND EVEN PEOPLE HOUSES!!!!! OHHH AND A FUNNY THING IS THEY CAN CONTROL TWO GUYS AT ONCE USING SOME TYPE OF MIRRIOR PROGRAM!!!!! TO USE TWO GUYS CONTROLING ONE GUY!!!

    THEY LITERALLY PLAYED NOT TO HUNT OR PVP BUT THEY WOULD PLAY LITERALLY LOOKING FOR BUGS TO ABUSE I AM NOT KIDDING OR JOKING….. I WAS THE PLAYER ALWAYS WANTED TO HUNT…… THESE GUYS PLAYED 11 HOURS A DAY LOOKING FOR BUGS….AND NOW NOTICE THEY PLAY???? ALOT MORE ITS BECAUSE THEY ARE SATISFIED WITH THE BUGS AND THE PROGRAM THEY USE NOW AND WILL BE ABLE TO KILL MOST!!!!

    THEY ALSO KILLED ALL CRAFTERS IN OCCLO AND GOT ALL LOOT TO KEEP???

    NOTHING IS BEING DONE TO THESE GUYS????

    I AM NOT MAKING THIS UP I AM THE ONLY AMERICAN THAT TRIED TO PLAY WITH THE RUSSIANS AND THEY ARE WORST THEN BRAZIES…..

    INSTEAD OF MAKING A POLL TO MAKE THE GAME BETTER LIKE THAT LONG ASS POST SOMEONE POSTED WITH SUGGESTIONS
    I SAY WE TAKE A POL IF WE WANT RUSSIANS TO PLAY HERE THE SAME U GUYS BANNED ALL BRAZIES!!!!
    THESE GUYS DO NOTHING GOOD FOR THE SHARD AND ARE KILLING IT!!!!!! ITS NOT LIKE THEY GIVE US FAIR PVP OR EVEN WEAR GOOD ITEMS WHILE THEY EXPLOIT BUGS……

    I KNOW IM NOT PERFECT AND HATED!!!! BUT THESE GUYS ARE MAKING YOU LOSE LOYAL PLAYER AND OLDIES!!!!! THEY ARE NOT WORTH IT!!!!!!!!!!!! PLEASE MAKE A POLL TO BANN RUSSIANS BECAUSE THEY DO NOTHING FOR SERVER BUT TRASH IT!!!!!!!

    #3356
    tanny44
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    I KNOW PEOPLE WILL SAY POST OFF TOPIC BUT HONESTLY IT IS NOT!!!!! I WAS THERE WHILE RUSSIANS SET UP 5 CHRACTERS EACH GHOSTING AND DOING FISHY STUFFF

    #3358
    Nagash
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      Actually we have two occupants right now.

      View post on imgur.com


      Jailed for Ghosting using a dummy character.

      The ghosting rule might be changed even further. Just keep in mind that for now using an inactive character to observe dungeons is not allowed.

      Be aware that we are actively looking for people that are attempting to abuse this rule.

      #3359
      sharnthor
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      Finally, first one down. Now for the rest of those guys…

      #3360
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      which suck is a pig did that to me and my sister two days ago in destard!!!! i lost good gear also but whatever im done bitching about items since they made loot decent to find!!!

      BUT A PIG IS A RUSSIAN!!!!!! BANNN HIM PLEASE OR ALL RUSSIANS THEY DONT HUNT OR PVP BUT DO FISHY STUFF LIKE THIS….THEY ARE DRAGGING SERVER DOWN PLEASE CONSIDER BANNNING ALLL THEM!!!! ALLLL NOT JUST ONE GET RID OF THEM!!!!!!

      AND IM SO GLAD STAFF GOT A SCREEN SHOT OF IT!!!!

      #3361
      tanny44
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      immm 100% sure that 99% of this shard will agree with me….
      they dont do nothing at all for this shard and bring it down

      i would go against this if they actually pvpd people or did something for zulu economy … But they dont all they want is to abuse bugs and take other people items that we worked for

      They dont hunt and when they do hunt NAGASH they do TMAPS and do it the newbie and easy way……they set up crates around the t map spot so monsters cant move and its easy loot…..

      i am older now dont get me wrong i did fucked up shit in uo as braveheart and one thing people will remember is me speed hacking lmao which i laugh bout now but….. When russians where introducing me to all these programs and tips and tricks i wanted nothing to do with this at all!!!!
      im older and i am a supporter of legit gaming even if i die more then i win which is the case on this server lol i die alot and won none yet lmao…. which im fine with fair gaming…. And these russians just take our hard working items….

      NAGASH THEY DONT HUNT SERIOUSLY!!!!!!!!! I TRIED TO PLAY WITH THEM FOR A MONTH BECAUSE HERE A TEAM IS NEEDED….. THESE GUYS DO NOTHING NAGASH PLEASE CONSIDER BANNING THEM ALLLLLLLLLLLLLL

      #3363
      thatoneguy
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      Rules that are not definite and can be interpreted or misjudged will probably only make morale of the shard worse. I can already see some long term problems on the horizon:

      1. It gives everyone a reason to bitch and moan about cheating even if nothing wrong actually happened, as in wrongful accusation. That kinda press in the Discord and .chat is going to lower morale and decrease trust in the integrity of the shard.

      2. There’s still going to be a small percentage of people who get away with it, as there’s not enough staff to monitor this all the time.

      3. It gives players a reason to feel and say that the moderators are acting unfairly. Some situations could perceptually be pretty hard to read, which puts a lot of pressure on the staff to make the judgement calls. Even in a totalitarian 0-tolerance environment, this doesn’t equate good change.

      4. It takes a lot of the open-world fun this game has to offer and throws it in the trash. Like schaukoski was saying, if it can be done in the game, its probably best to leave it, unless a new game mechanic can be introduced which either mitigates the problems, or gets rid of them completely.

      5. Thief class is definitely over-powered, but removing their ability to hunt victims in dungeons any way they wish drags the class through the mud, and it pretty much completely destroys the interest in the character beyond mild PvM.

      Solutions? Well– I’d suggest making Thieves less OP first.

      Adjust their ability to hide and stealth slightly downward (maybe higher fail rate for hiding around hostiles, an increased fail rate for both hide/stealth when characters with CHARTYPE IS or HS are around– given that human beings would probably more likely spot someone) and maybe slightly decrease their damage increase per level.

      From there really all that needs to be done is getting rid of ghost manifestation and making them always visible. Spying is really the only mechanic that function provides anyhow, unless there’s something beneath the surface I’m not accounting for.

      Is all of that stuff really hard to do? Like complicated– or maybe time consuming?
      I honestly feel like a huge pain in the ass writing out as much as I do, and expecting others to program and constantly “fix” a shard I get to play for free. I wouldn’t be angry whether you did everything I said or absolutely nothing, to be honest. I just enjoy this shard and want to see it stick around for a while.

      This subject needs some voices and attention to detail.

      #3364
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      Here’s my 2 cents. It’s true, Veteran players are leaving the shard or have already left. They are angry that the actions of the ones responsible for the Occlo crafter killings went without any punishment. They feel that the influx of Russians being allowed to continue to abuse bugs and exploit mechanics in spite of posted Rules has made playing here not fun any more. There is clearly a loss of Morale amongst the Veteran players. It’s my opinion that banning the handful of problem makers will not hurt the player base and may actually bring back some of our Veterans. A demonstration that the Vetran’s loyalty to this shard actually means something. It may also help to restore the faith in the Staff and renew the respect that they Staff deserve.

      #3368
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      hey that one guy!!! and cinder i like both of your post

      i agree with that one guy with thiefs….. or atleast do something to where psn is like drinking a pot? some time limit before psn apponent again?

      Because i played pp for 20 years.. and made one here but after i macro the pp i find out why didnt i make a thief???….
      To me a thief here is a pp… They can rel por use wepons ccant be detetced :(…. Pretty crazy lol

      #3369
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      Yeah I agree here… Even my own crafter got nailed in Occlo and absolutely nothing happened. The guy couldn’t talk English properly so he got off?

      This is absolute bull to be honest.

      #3370
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      You will not please you, asked me call Russians with us to play. We came big crowd, bent all and Now we are guilty of all problems of the server? if at all those who shouts ban Russians and etc, curve hands and no_brains it is not a problem of Russians
      FeST[Russia]

      #3371
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      Cinder looooool ……

      #3372
      tanny44
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      Honestly Fest rather not play with you guys man… DA JA VU memories playing with russians SAME AS BRAZILIANS…..

      You guys dont play fair and look for bugs all the time :(….And use programs other then razor and uos………….

      Would be great if you guys bring pvp to server ETC… But you guys do not….You guys look for tricks and bugs to abuse……You guys dont even hunt…..

      Once you find a bug to abuse you exploit on players that worked hard for items man…..

      And not like you guys put the items on you…..

      Your killing people using bugs and newb items and a thief man :(….. And banking all lol so not like you give anyone pvp… You have a whole guild and i pvpd more players solo then all people in your guild combine….

      They dont hunt…… They steal items……….. Find a bug to abuse and they kill people that way……..

      They claim to be pro in zulu but dont play or fight fair???….

      If you are PRO…. Why use bugs and be snakes?

      #3373
      orks777
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      my translator cries, wipe snivels, wash and go play)))

      #3374
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      People, look at yourself, you dismoraled the Russian people. I hate to read your posts, you are very low in this.
      Every day I see in the chat ban Russian players, Russians are bad and crazy.
      You yourself daily insult us that we can’t normally answer you and let us know that we don’t care for your opinion.

      What you chop in the safe zone is a bonus for you, which you use, rejoice that the staff did this zone for you to chop.
       You cut down a tree and whine – how to endure it ??
      You will suffer if the staff is asked to put a captcha on the extraction of resources for every 10 minutes, so that you do not stand on the macro and watch the character, you will groan from discontent and the Russians will again be guilty.

      When we didn’t play, who was to blame for all your problems?

      What I want to say about ghosting.
      You can make the ghost not see people and chat, it is possible.
      But you do not understand the meaning of ghosting at all.

      I came to the guild house 1, in my clothes with my drawn charms and stood there and looked, these dissatisfied faces screamed to me that they were dying and threatened to ban without any reason.

      Then everyone shouted that we would be banned.

      I do not know what kind of upbringing you have but not all the players have such an ugly attitude, and it is they who let him down on the Russians.

      Some may say hello and ask how are you and something to tell, for that they have a lot of respect.

      A gang of whiners.

      Regarding fixes, I created a topic with questions for processing and nobody even went to it and did not write anything except for one stupid message. What can there be at all then?!?!?!?

      You have to shut up and not to shame.

      The most important whiner is Atlantis – a girl with a pod.

      shut up forever.

      *you are nobody,
      *Yai
      Guild $ (a buck)

      #3375
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      Yakuza respect… true!!!

      #3376
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      How Robin Hood and friends run tmaps:

      Tmaps

      #3377
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      and ????? This BUG ????????

      #3381
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      You can call it whatever you like, to me the fact that monsters can’t step over a little chest on the ground is an unintended game mechanic. Staff has made changes to the shard to prevent people from placing items on the ground in dungeons. I think it’s reasonable to assume they’re trying to stop people from blocking monsters.

      So look at it again and ???????????

      Use your head.

      #3382
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      Well, then you need to do so that they would not put me on the ground at home if it prevents you from playing quietly

      #3392
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      GET RID OF THEM PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!
      YOUR LOYAL PLAYER BASE I DONT EVEN SEE LOGED ON ANYMORE
      I SEE NOTHING BUT THE WEIRDEST RUSSIANS NAMES ON NOW
      BUT THEY ARE THE SAME PEOPLE JUST CHANGE NAMES EVREYDAY LOL

      HE SAYS HE BRINGING PEOPLE TO THE SERVER 20 PLUS PEOPLE
      TOTAL BULLSHIT EVEN IF HE DOES BRING 20 PEOPLE WE DONT WANT THESE TYPE OF PEOPLE PLAYING HERE SAME WAY WE SEE NO BRAZILIANS THEY MAKE UP THERE OWN RULES
      REASON WHY YOU SEE SO MANY RUSSIANS IS BECAUSE THEY ACT LIKE THERE IS 20 RUSSIANS

      BUT HONESTLY THERE IS ONLY MAYBE ABOUT 7 OF THEM AND THEY USE MIRROR PROGRAMS AND CONTROL TWO GUYS AT ONCE!!!!!!!!!!!!! AND THEY HAVE LIKE 6 ACCOUNTS EACH IM NOT MAKING THIS SHIT UP LOL…..

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